Re: Oh no! another football thread!

[Soulja]

They don't fit at all ôo
How can a defensive coach fit to an offensive team ? I don't really get that.

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His personality fits perfect.
He's not a defensive coach at all, defensive is Capello. But he trains/trained an ital. team, what is known for their great defensive specialists. He got great centre backs in Inter and defensive midfielder like Cambiasso. Then it's obvious that he will abuse the best weapon of an ital. team, the defensive. In Chelsea he wasn't a defensive coach. I wouldn't say he played the very best offensive football, but surely he took more risk than nowadays. Why? Because Chelsea had different player and he could play in a different tactic. His players were Robben, Lampard, Malouda, Drogba and so on. Inter got also great offensive player, but the difference is the defensive-power of Inter. He hadn't the same quality of player when he trained Chelsea, at least not in the most important part of the team, the defensive.

[pedrin]

I didnt want to change our coach once again, no stability in real madrid since.....well i cant remember, and imo madrid played a good season but in some important games (lyon,alcorcon,barca)..
But if we have to change, ofc mou is the man. He is a winner, so he fits perfectly us. About his style i am with Tabula, he adapts his style to the players he have, under some basic concepts. With mourinho, chelsea was good to watch, at least i often enjoyed watching them.

[AtomSmasher]

No doubts about his skill as coach, he built a super strong Chelsea, remember Baça only could win with late goal of Iniesta and referee's help. Otherwise another CL final for Mou. Don't forget Porto. Also brilliant CL champion.
And the most important, he shares an important quality with F. Perez, Valdano, CR96...he is a big asshole. Arrogant, pimpy, fake, sarcastic...just perfect to get another great season for media and to distract spanish people from the crisis.


Ribery signed yesterday in Madrid...

Spoiler:

[ramix]

Inter's defenders are impresionant and if you also have a forward like D.Milito... is difficult play against inter.
They play a boring style but and probably you don't like it but the results are the best: league, cup and champions. Anyway it's football, you can like it more or less but It's football.

About mou's style I don't think that he's only a defensive trainer, when he was in Chelsea they scored a lot of goals. I also think that with players like pandev and milito use a defensive style is to be an asshole. Yesterday Inter could scored more goals if they hadn't played with ten defenders.

[Soulja]

Nah they couldn't if they had normal Tactic they would have got at least 3 goals from Bayern, since they only played at the defensive play + Contra, and the second goal shouldn't even have been there, in my oppinion Inter was very lucky to win at all, and their style was very boring, i didn't see anyone play so boring in long time, they didn't even have the ball so much, but if ur defense is good it's hard to score and then u can hope for a contra, That was the tactic of mourinho Yesterday.

[™]

Ye Soulja I absolutely agree, I can't understand why the world says: "Deserved win by Inter". But Atom could write a holy bible with this shit, the world also said: "Fantastic job by Inter" after they played their defensive against Barca. It's not good for the football, I prefer teams like Arsenal and the both FCB. Barca and Bayern.

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Germany is 4. of the UEFA-ranking. GZ Italy.
Next year Germany is the automatic 3. cuz Italy is losing a lot of points due their strong deleted season 2005/2006.

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Dabo goes to Sevilla -.- A very good back-up as defensive player, I would like to see him as back-up for Lahm but nvm

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Ribery!!! But yeye pedrin/Soulja and another experts lol, never trust my words. And Marca is absolutely similar with our big german newspaper BILD...

[Soulja]

Yeah, i don't know why ppl say it's a fantastic job, i mean if u win by BIG luck and u play with 10 defenders who are just waiting to get a contra who wouldn't win, yeah it's a important match but they can show some skill some real ''football'' not just stay back at their own half all the time, and not even get the ball.
My oppinion here is: A Scandal and shame for the football history.
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Yeah Atla he didn't sign, i would like to see him in Real, he's really a good footballer, i like his offensive skills, but he was stupid enough to stay in Bayern, and get much less in a sallary than he could have gotten in Real.

Although my second Favorite team is Bayern.
Ribery has a good chemistry with Bayern, i think he wouldn't have the same feeling at Real, so i suppose it's the right choice he made.

[pedrin]

well i think u underrate inter´s work in semifinals. We are talking about barca, the best offensive team nowadays. They played with 1 player less since almost the beggining and barca was almost unable to throw Julio cesar. Im sure that in that situation the result against ANY team d have been 3/4-0/1. Ask Arsenal.
Yesterday they took the ball at the beggining more or less, and later its true that bayern started dominating them, and then, the goal came.Bad defended by bayern. At least i saw like that
What is supossed they should do, attack? when his play style fits perfectly to the contra with fast players?
The fact is that u can call it luck, BIG luck if u prefer(Somehow it looks to me similar to battle xD), but its strange that always(or almost always) mourinho is the winner and vs barca only got 1 goal in 180 minutes and vs bayern 0 goals.2 of the best attacking teams in the world.
Dont get my wrong, i also prefer styles like barca, bayern and Spain. But saying yesterday inter was just lucky, its kinda poor to me. They did what they know to do and bayern tried to do what they know to do. And inter did better.

About ribbery, i think its a great player in fact for me yersterday bayern felt too much he wasnt there.
Ribbery d have fitted this season perfectly in madrid but, now knowing mou ll be our trainer, i dont know if he d fit that good in his style. Gz for u atlantis, its a great news for u thathe stays. I have the feeling that, signing 1-2 players in the defence + 1-2 midfields and a decent forward, bayern can be terrible again.

[Soulja]

no matter what u say pedrin, there is no sense of skill here, pure luck and pure shame and pure scared of losing his last match as inter coach, he made the 10 defender 1 attacker tactic, but how low is that ? 70 - 30 % ball possition ? come on pedrin, be a little realistic, inter had a lot of luck in both goals, they shouldn't even score, this is a shame to football, there is no doubt.

[™]

Is it true that the transfer of Di Maria to Real Madrid is perfect?
In this case, big gratz and respect. Very similar with the transfer of Ribery to Bayern, 3 years ago. A winger with incredible skill and talent, maybe not the superstar u want (Silva etc) but u can form him.

Di Maria - Dzeko - Higuain,

would be cool. And an offensive midfielder called CR behind them (or Di Maria - Higuain - CR, same)
Then, the best winger-teams would be:

1. Bayern Munich - Ribery/Robben
2. Real Madrid - Di Maria/Higuain
3. OSC Lille - Hazard/Gervinho

I don't see Barca that good in the left winger position, but the summer is long and we'll see who could join them.

[pedrin]

Honestly i dont know anything and i cant trust anyone until madrid wont make any transfer official.

cole-filipeluis-david luz?(benfica defenseplayer)-koralev-maicon-Lampart-gerrard-dimaria-navas-silva-de rossi-concentrao-torres-drogba-Dzeko-milito...and i am sure that i left some name.

Those names have beeen said that real madrid was interested in last week-2 weeks, the truth is that they(media) know nothing but when some of them come, they ll say " like "Xnewspaper" already said "x player" ll come....". Fucking same

Btw, what do u think about de rossi as player? i think he can be what we need. Anyway it seems impossible he comes here

[AtomSmasher]

"and i am sure that i left some name".
Don't forget Ganso ^^

De Rossi ≤ Xavi Alonso, and their function is very similar (imvho). Good defensive job, not bad offensively (good shots and pass) but they both aren't the core of the team as Xavi, Lampard or Gerrard.

[ViCeN]

damn Thomas, always put his Bayern on the top or almost in the top in all "rankings", but everybody knows that the bests teams actually with the bests players are Barça and Real Madrid xD

[AtomSmasher]

Is real madrid a team?

[™]

Höö? Even Inter is better than Bayern. Manu, Inter, Chelsea, Barca... they are all better than Munich. Next season Madrid too, maybe. I said that Bayern got the best wingers, and imo - neutral view - it's true.

[Scialone]

no matter what u say pedrin, there is no sense of skill here, pure luck and pure shame and pure scared of losing his last match as inter coach, he made the 10 defender 1 attacker tactic, but how low is that ? 70 - 30 % ball possition ? come on pedrin, be a little realistic, inter had a lot of luck in both goals, they shouldn't even score, this is a shame to football, there is no doubt.

Well, talking about soccer is like talking about politics: u will never make a deal between two guys, not to mention a deal with more guys. ^_^
And there's a reason for that: in such discussion the "fan part" of anybody comes out and the "fact part" stays hidden.

Let's talk about facts. -)

1) Since the round with Chelsea, Inter always played with 3 pure attackers (Milito, Eto'o and Pandev) + Sneijder. Now, can u actually call this a defensive team? And i don't mention Maicon, Thiago Motta and Stankovic (imo, all better attacking than defenders). The fact that Eto'o and Pandev (Sneijder a bit less) helped the team a lot when the opponent team has the ball, only shows how these guys believed in the trainer and his idea of soccer (not to mention their high professionality).

2) There is no point (imvho) in "just attacking" or "just making ball possession" or "just defence", that's a blind tactic taking you nowhere (and not only in sport). You gotta be able to do what it's needed to do, according with the circumstances, and that's exactly what Inter did in a fabulous way.
In the first match vs Barca, in Milano, Barca scored for first. The final result was 3-1, not bad for a defensive team. =D
In the return match, what has Inter to do? Just attacking? Simply, she had to control Barca's assault, and that's what she did (always playing with Milito, Eto'o and Sneijder... Pity Pandev injured during warm-up, so Chivu played but in his place, not in defence). 11 vs 10 Barca shot on goal maybe 2/3 times? Now... Are we joking or what? Barca, in Camp Nou, with 1 man more, shooting on goal 2/3 times? Are u really calling this "luck"? Naah!

3) Inter eliminated Chelsea (the favourite with Barca, later English champion), Barca and Bayern (All luck? Not even from a statistic point of view this could have been possible xD), taking 1 gol from Chelsea in Milano (the 1-1, Inter won 2-1 ^^), 2 goals from Barca and 0 from Bayern. Now, a pure defensive tactic (or "catenaccio" if u want) doesnt pay in the long term. It may work one time, but surely not 3 times. Furthermore, catenaccio implies: making a lot of fouls (which Inter don't do), taking a lot of yellow cards (which Inter don't do), playing with 5/6 role defenders + 4/5 defensive midfielders (which Inter don't do).

No, really, the fact is: Inter had a great trainer these 2 years, with great ideas about how to play soccer (--> way to play soccer that let you WIN something or, like it happened, everything), great players (real examples for the young generations) who believed in his trainer and gave all themselves on the field, great managers always able to get the right player for the missing place (best example: Sneijder, taken a couple of days before the season start).
These facts can only take to one goal: be competitive for winning all that can be won.
Of course, opponent teams may do the same, in that case the skill and the personality of the players on the field during the matches has to give that "quid" necessary to take home the result. And that's what happened.

Just facts, no fan. =)

[Soulja]

But i'm talking prolly about bayern here, and if u have seen the match u would agree, second half time was totally dominated by bayern, and when i say totally i mean totally. Inter had 1 chance, and they scored on a defense fail that imo could have been prevented, and if ur realistic u would have said and accepted that Bayern was the better team that day, Bayern had so manny chances, but every time Bayern was about to make something, the whole inter team was comming back to their own half, i haven't seen inter at bayerns half, only 5 times MAX the whole match, and when they were over there, they were MAX 2 - 3 Attackers, the rest was waiting at their own half.

So facts do say something yes :p

[AtomSmasher]

Some little points from a bad loser:

- Maybe i haven't told that, but the only reason because I am happy for Inter's victory is you, Scia. And I am really happy for you.
- Olegario Benquerença will go to the World Cup.
- Yes yes, crying again. But the 4 games Inter-Barça this year were: 0-0 0-2 3-1 0-1. Find out which one was directed by Olegario.

We could say hundreds of useless words, because it is already over and Inter won. But is it a joke to say that Inter or Bayern is the best european team. Do you really think that they are better than Barça? I am a fan who can differenciate facts and feelings. Or I think so...

[Scialone]

Some little points from a bad loser:

- Maybe i haven't told that, but the only reason because I am happy for Inter's victory is you, Scia. And I am really happy for you.

Aww.. QQ. I don't deserve that, but thanks. <3
Well, you know, it was a brand-new experience just seeing Inter in cl final, u can imagine seeing her winning that cup.

- Olegario Benquerença will go to the World Cup.

Hehe, u still think about that penalty? ^^
I understand u, if i was in your pants i would do the same... Off-sides happens, but an unseen clear penalty is quite worse. Honestly that was the very first time i saw that referee, so i cant say if he deserves to go to world cup or not. In general, i feel to say that a single episode cannot make him worth or not, it depends much more on how good he was in the last years on an average basis.

- Yes yes, crying again. But the 4 games Inter-Barça this year were: 0-0 0-2 3-1 0-1. Find out which one was directed by Olegario.

Well CL is a long competition, not like a home championship, but it get close to it. This means that you can lose vs a certain team in the round robin and then win in the following rounds, depending on the state of shape, the morale, the will, and surely some episodes.

I wouldnt define me a bad loser, but not even a bad winner, i consider myself more or less objective about sport (except of when i have to judge Juventus ;p). And it's with this state of mind that i tell u, imvho, that Inter deserved to pass the round with Barca, and overall deserved to win the Cup.

Look, i make u an opposite example: Inter, some years ago, passed a Uefa Cup round vs Valencia (Vicen remember, for sure ^^) in a... i cant even find the correct word, horrible way? Maybe worse... Now, that was really a scandal, and I was the first to be ashamed for having passed that round.

But this CL... I's so proud of my team: Chelsea, Barca and Bayern cannot be beaten just by luck or "faith".

We could say hundreds of useless words, because it is already over and Inter won. But is it a joke to say that Inter or Bayern is the best european team. Do you really think that they are better than Barça? I am a fan who can differenciate facts and feelings. Or I think so...

Mate, in my opinion, in a long competition like CL, if u arrive in final it means that u have had "something" more than who haven't. U can call this "something" in many ways: skill, will, shape, cinism, athletics, practicism, etc. But u never may call it luck, imvho. And if u have "something" more than an other, it means u are better somehow.
Of course this counts for an edition, maybe next year it's gonna be Barca or Real or ManU or Bayern, to have this "quid" more than the others. Or maybe the "Nerazzurri" again... With someone else on the bench. ^_^

[AtomSmasher]

... With someone else on the bench. ^_^

Hehe, dw, he is a club-man.

"Today, tomorrow and forever withBarça in my heart" well, if we consider that hate also grows inside your heart, he didn't lie

[ramix]

jajaja I've already seen. Bah every players do the same, it isn't strange xD. We'll see what happen with madrid next year and then we'll decide about mou: stupid with luck or really a good trainer. Umm I guess it'll be a nice football year

[pedrin]

atlantis, in ur signature do u mean asenjo, the atletico goalkeeper, or who?

[™]

Dw, you don't need to explain me his situation. Injured and David de Gea was/is number 1.

But you could explain me something else. Why Atletico bought 2 great talents? Or comes David de Gea from the youth?

[ViCeN]

Or comes David de Gea from the youth?

yes xD

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